Goku’s gonna struggle with a question like this, I’m not sure if he really understands what circumcision is. He’s doing his best, though. Maybe they went to the city for it, but I always imagined Gohan and Goten being home births up in the mountains. Goku’s birth was very different.
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There is a surprising simplicity to his answer; but it’s weird that planet Vegeta practices circumcision at all.
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Planet Vegeta was under Frieza’s control.
Freeza didn’t dictate any of their culture, though. As long as they remained loyal to him, he didn’t care
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Ah, that must be why all their buildings and outfits and everything were identical to other Frieza planets.
Because Freeza (or before him, Cold) provided them with technology and equipment. The Saiyans, being a warrior race, were just happy to have an overlord that supplied their vassal state with opportunities to go out and fight. Cold and Freeza never otherwise cared about any other facets of Saiyan culture (aside from his fear of Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God, obviously, and we know what that led to)
Anyway, hentai! Penises!
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I mean, you’re just making that up. It’s not supported by any of the media. It very much seems like planets that came under Frieza’s control were either wiped out and sold off or assimilated into a militaristic mono-culture.
Anyway, the canon in my work is that Frieza, having a psychological fixation on Saiya-jins and Saiya-jin virility, was subconsciously obsessed with controlling them while also fetishizing them, hence a desire to control their genitalia. This is an aspect of his racism as he’s characterized in works like Space Emperor Slut. Goku doesn’t know that, though.
Not supported by any media?
When Vegeta first sees Cabba before the Universe 6 tournament, he comments that the armor he’s wearing is what Universe 7 Saiyans used to wear before being conscripted to the Freeza Force. The prologue sequence of DBS: Broly shows the day Cold retired to hand the reins to Freeza. In that same scene, we see him give the Saiyans the first scouters. As far back as the first time on Namek, we see that the rest of the Freeza Force uses the same Attack Balls (spaceships) that Saiyans had been using
There’s probably some Daizenshuu or something with a Toriyama interview talking about it, but Cold/Freeza 100% supplied the Saiyans with their military equipment
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No, I was saying this idea that Saiya-jins had an untouched culture under Frieza is not supported in any of the media. What you listed here supports *my* argument. Everything I’ve seen in DBZ suggests the Saiya-jins were a largely uncivilized society until Frieza molded them into a military culture. I’m not even sure if Saiya-jins *had* culture outside of a few legends prior to their colonization.
Well, going by “canon” (IE works that were created by or heavily involved Akira Toriyama), their very biology (almost ubiquitous lust for battle, near-death recovery power ups, Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God) heavily supports their nature as a warrior race. We know they already had their own distinctive armor prior to being vassalized by Cold/Freeza, so even if they focused on little else but fighting, they still had enough uniformity in their culture to value combat, and veering into dubiously canon territory (the 2008 Son Goku and Friends TV special, story by Toriyama but script by Takao Koyama), we know that Saiyans have a concept of formalwear, since Vegeta says something about how armor counts as formalwear for Saiyans
(Side note: getting into super nerdy lore discussions in a hentai feed was not something I had on my bingo card, but all the same, I vastly appreciate it and enjoy that we’ve gotten here lol. I sincerely hope I’m not coming across as antagonistic!)
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You’re totally fine. I feel like we’re talking past each other a little bit here in regards to the original point (which is really more of a statement on what’s canon in my work rather than the original DBZ). I still think that what we see in flashbacks and stuff implies that Frieza’s family had a pretty iron grip on planet Vegeta and its people, to the point that in early Z the narrative frequently blurs the lines between Saiya-jin and Frieza soldier because there’s just not much reason to distinguish them.
It also doesn’t help the issue that a lot of what you’re looking at is from Super, which often contradicts earlier things we’ve seen because Toriyama (bless him) just didn’t care enough to remember minute details about what had or had not been established in stuff he wrote thirty years prior. ^_^;
I’m not circumcise but my hood doesn’t cover my tip. Why can’t it be that Goku just out grew his like I did? It’s actually not as uncommon as you may think it is.
WOW!!! I didn’t think my comment would spark such a hot debate. I’m sorry I haven’t been back since Wednesday morning.
Let just agree that in the end it doesn’t matter what there dicks look like. 😉
Nah, I wouldn’t say “hot debate”. I’m just a massive nerd for Dragon Ball and got caught on a tiny detail lol. There wasn’t any animosity between me or Near there (and he’s right, I think we also misunderstood where the other was coming from in some regards)
But indeed, a penis is a penis is a penis!
I think it kinda makes sense that Saiyans would be circumcised, but not cause of Frieza. Rather, I think that because Saiyans are based on the Kryptonians from Superman, and the Kryptonians were coded as Jewish by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster (the original Superman writers.) That’s why the name Kal-El is in Hebrew, and why Superman’s origin story was based off of Moses. So Goku being circumcised on planet Vegeta would just be a call-back to his literary origins.
Not that it really matters either way. Dragon Ball Z might have a lot of comic book superhero influence, but the original Dragon Ball was more influenced by Journey to the West, where circumcision definitely isn’t a thing. So both interpretations make perfect sense, which is why I really like the idea of Goku and Vegeta being circumcised while Goten and Gohan aren’t.
Yo I have a question for Goku what do you think of Erza and her mother what do you think of them and plus and what do you think of future Bulma and May May
And plus what do you think of think about both of your granddaughters what happens both of them are super Saiyan
And what’s your opinion on Android 18 and Android 21
Plus what do you think of Frieza and Gohan gender bands and all
Yo I have a question for Goku what do you think of Erza and her mother what do you think of them and plus and what do you think of future Bulma and May May
And plus what do you think of think about both of your granddaughters what happens both of them are super Saiyan
And what’s your opinion on Android 18 and Android 21
Plus what do you think of Frieza and Gohan gender bands and all